Thanksgiving open thread

Are you going away for the holiday? What's your favorite thing to do here at home when everyone else leaves?

How many local ingredients will be in your Thanksgiving dinner?  What are you thankful for?

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I'll be staying here for the first time in several Thanksgivings which means I can finally go back to Buy Nothing Day at Internationalist this year. Anyone else want to meet up there?

I am also staying home after a 5 years of NYC and the parade. My sisters are coming in from the west coast and the first order of business will be celebrating our new administration with many glasses of wine.  I am cooking everything local.....except the wine. My sisters are snobs. Hope everyone in OP world has a great celebration.

We never go away for the holidays. Any of them.Thanksgiving is orphan Thanksgiving. Friends come over. It's potluck so I can't vouch for all the dishes, but I know my houseguest ordered  lots of sides and a vegan pie from Weaver Street Market. And I bought baby carrots, turnips with greens, brussel sprouts, spinach, arugula, sweet potatoes, acorn and butternut squash at the Farmer's Market this afternoon.  There was a run on the brussel sprouts. I am thankful to get any.

We spend every Thanksgiving with Berkeley's family in Charleston.  It's one of those sacrosanct traditions, hectic but special.  Tgiving is my favorite holiday.  The Charlestonians do a low-country oyster roast on Friday.  As traditions go, this is the higlight of the year. 

Our daughter received her birthday book from Carrboro Elementary today. It's "A Weekend In the Paris of the Piedmont" and she read it with her Dad tonight. On the page about Cliff's Meat Market, he told her how when he was her age there was one grocery story, Fowlers and his mother took him to Cliff's for all their meat purchases. 

With the holiday season upon us and the transfer station saga continuing, I'd like to see us all make every effort to further reduce our personal contributions to the waste stream. A simple approach is to take your own bags when you go shopping. This doesn't just have to be grocery shoppingonly--take them to Market Street Books or the Internationalist as well.Here are some tips to help you remember to take your bags: http://www.igotmybag.org/tips.htm Want some other reusable items, including bags the are teeny tiny and fit in your purse/glove compartment/backpack? http://www.reusablebags.com/I think Townsend and Bertram has some small bags as well as. And I know they have Sigg reuseable bottles.

A great reminder Teri, however, I would take it a step further and ask the town council and board of aldermen to ban plastic bags in our towns. My sister was visiting from San Francisco for the holiday and was taken aback when she saw plastic bags at the Teeter check out. Then she went off when the bagger placed her 1 item into the plastic. I think this should be a consideration in 2009. Whole Foods has already eliminated plastic and shoppers are doing just fine with paper or better yet, their own reusable bags.

....the plastic bags and recycle them to the containers in front of Food Lion. I am somewhat embarassed to say I don't know what happens to them after that (I should check). It makes me feel better though.Plastic bags in general don't produce a lot of volume. I think that is why they are less visable as a problem, until you see things like this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxNqzAHGXvs&feature=relatedHowever, I do not believe we will completely eliminate this form of waste through reduce/reuse/recycle efforts. This (to me anyway) is another reason we need to find a better solution than landfills.

They may not produce much volume, but they are everywhere. And look what havoc they can create:http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080506/MULTIMED... 

I am thankful I live in Carrboro . . .  From a Charlotte Observer article by Julia Oliver:In response to neighborhood complaints about noisy, late-night food trucks, City Council passed a new regulation Monday that will limit where vendors can operate. Council members also rejected a request by food vendors that a 9 p.m. closing time be extended two hours. The vendors have said they earn most of their money between 9 and 11 p.m., serving construction workers who come home late from out-of-town jobs.  Debate over the ordinance has raised questions about fairness in how the city treats different types of food vendors. Those subject to the new rules serve mainly tacos and other Mexican fare along Central Avenue, South Boulevard and other roads branching out from the city. In contrast, hot dog vendors and others who sell precooked food uptown may operate 24 hours a day. The unanimous council decision came after about an hour of discussion. About 45 people, including vendors and their families, stood in the audience holding paper signs that read: “Carne asada is not a crime!” “How can you hate on taco trucks?” and “Save the taco trucks.” About five people in support of the changes held signs that said, “Vote yes.” Councilman John Lassiter said that in making his decision he tried to balance the rights of neighborhoods with the rights of small businesses. “I kind of default to the neighbors. We've got to take their issues into account first,” he said. Neighborhood groups, especially those off Central Avenue, have pushed the city to crack down on taco trucks that sell food from parking lots along the corridor. Residents say the trucks attract noisy crowds late into the night, clog traffic and leave litter behind.   . . . After the vote, vendors said they were disappointed. Manuel Gaucin said he was most upset that the council did not approve the later operating time.  “It's my work,” he said. “I have my family, I have my house, I have family in Mexico” to support. He said he and two friends are trying to start a restaurant at Harris Boulevard and Sharon Amity Road, and they are covering their startup costs with the money they earn at the taco trucks. He is worried that if they have to shut down the trucks at 9 p.m., they will lose most of their business.   “It's not enough time to earn money to pay our bills,” he said.

Surely there has to be a limit on the number of vendors of this type.  It's easy for Carrboro to monitor one or two of them, but a city the size of Charlotte could easily lose control.  Even a single outbreak of salmonella, or e-coli, would obviously be problematic.  Health departments need to be at the ready.  You can't just let anyone start selling food on the streets, and people do have the right to quiet in their neighborhoods.

Last I checked, we had health code standards & inspections, and noise ordinances, to ensure food safety and reasonable volume levels, respectively.  One doesn't have to institute a racist blanket ban to keep things safe.

It seems to me that zoning regulations also would apply.  Can we have any sort of truck vendor selling anything at any time in residential neighborhoods?  Surely there are limits, explicit and implicit, in the zoning regulations, that apply to all who would sell their wares, food or otherwise.  Carrying this further, we cannot do what we want on our own property (with good reason)...for example, a person could not set up a restaurant in their house in a residential neighborhood, I would not think.  Why should a rolling restaurant be allowed next door, on the public street, even if it were to meet all health and noise regulations? It seems to me that a rolling restaurant on a public street in an area zoned for restaurants may be OK, within certain timing limits that apply also to restaurants that are not on wheels.

We might could start by referring to these particular vendors in a less racist-sounding way.  Taco Truck is not a rolling food vendor category unto itself.  The same healh codes apply to rolling hot dog and popcorn vendors.  Do we call them Gringo Trucks?  Food for thought.    

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Even at Teeter's I see quite a few shoppers toting their own reusable bags -- as many as they think they'll need to accomodate their grocery lists.  This is a trend our aldermen and town council could cultivate by banning plastic bags not only in grocery stores but in department and specialty shops.  Alongside a ban, however, a promotional campaign is in order to encourage all consumers to consider whether or not they really need a bag for every purchase.  Hmmm.  The psychology is partly that most people don't want the whole world to see their bacon and Twinkies. 

We tote our cloth, reusable bags to Harris Teeter and the number we bring is based on the size of the shopping list. But sometimes, depending on the bulk of the items, we need one or two extra bags. In these cases we opt for plastic since Harris Teeter has the plastic recycling bins. Each week we bring our used plastic bags back for recycling along with other plastic bags we accumulate during the week such as the plastic bags our newspapers are delivered in or plastic bags used by the drug store, etc. It's not perfect but hopefully it is lessening the amount of plastic in circulation. Paper might also be OK for those few times we need extra capacity since the paper can be recycled along with our other paper at the curb.Does anyone have any data on which is greener, recyclable paper or recyclable plastic?

At Trader Joe's, those who bring their own bags are given a ticket for a weekly raffle, and the winner gets $25 or so in groceries.  That sure does seem to be a good way to encougage people to remember their bags.Still, banning throw-away plastic bags would be a really great thing.

The thing about a "ban" is that the word itself raises hackles.  There's no substitute, except for maybe "outlaw" which is even more incendiary.  An outright ban would upset people who don't like the idea that something so normal and prevalent is all of a sudden "bad."  The best approach to the plastic bag problem might be a well organized plea to area merchants.  The plastic bags disappear and that's that.  Hard to imagine that sort of decision-making by your local Harris Teeter manager, considering the implications.  I favor a ban, and would encourage our elected officials to search their Thesauruses for some other language to craft their ordinances. 

Maybe we could institute "don't bag, don't tell"? :)

Google "paper vs plastic" and you'll see that paper is not so superior to plastic.  There are many debates and analyses which point to either, or neither.  When recycled, plastic might make more sense.  Perhaps a ban on all new bags would be more effective.  Either people could bring their own, or the store could supply a recycled bag.

...besides you can burn bags as fuel (WTE) as they are mostly petroleum products.

We should tax products that cause problems.

Plastic bags as well as paper bags should cost the consumer every time they get one. So instead of Whole Foods giving you a nickel for bringing your own bag, they should charge you 10 cents for using one of their bags. Same with plastic at the Teeter and every other store. I bet folks would start remembering their reusable bags then.

P R O C L A M A T I O N    WHEREAS, the Human Rights Coalition of North Carolina is pleased to announce Margaret (Peggy) Misch as the recipient of its 2008 International Human Rights Award; and  WHEREAS, Peggy is a founding member of the Coalition for Peace with Justice; and  WHEREAS, she has worked assiduously over the years in support of a just resolution of the Palestinian - Israeli conflict based on (a) equal human rights for Palestinians and Israelis and (b) adherence to international law; and  WHEREAS, she is a founding and very active member of North Carolina Stop Torture Now that focuses on educating the public about our state’s direct involvement in torture and extraordinary rendition; and  WHEREAS, through the Orange County Bill of Rights Defense Committee, of which she was the primary organizer, she works to protect the human rights of immigrants facing federal programs and the xenophobia of many North Carolinians; and  WHEREAS, Peggy has been an advocate for peace and justice in Orange County and around the world for many, many years,  NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that I, Mark H. Chilton, Mayor of the Town of Carrboro, North Carolina, do hereby proclaim December 9, 2008, as “PEGGY MISCH DAY” in the Town of Carrboro.  This, the 2nd day of December 2008 Mark H. Chilton, Mayor

Those wanting to understand more about why Peggy Misch is being honored today should read the Independent's article on her 2004 Citizen Award:http://www.indyweek.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A23146 What comes across, and as those who know her can attest, is that she has been a tireless worker for peace and justice for decades. Few have matched her unassuming dedication and hard work on such a wide range of causes. 

 

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