Hello and welcome to the Orange Politics forum for the special election for the Carrboro Board of Aldermen. Voters will be asked to choose between three candidates to fill a vacancy on the board created last fall when Lydia Lavelle won election as mayor.Thanks to our candidates for participating.In general, you’ll have about ten minutes to get your answers in, but I’m going to reserve the right to some follow ups and you can expect a lightning round at some point.First question for our candidates:What are the challenges facing Carrboro that you want to focus on should you be elected?
First of all I'd like to thank the Residents of Carrboro, Kirk, Orange Politics, and my fellow candidates for this debate.
declaring my candidacy and speaking with residents, business owners,
and both town employees and members of our current administration, it
seems clear that the major issues facing this Town are:
1. Change Management - dealing with the accelerated population growth as it pertains to:
2. Affordable Housing -
It is hypocritcal to say that Carrboro advocates affordable housing
when in fact it is in the top fifth percentile Statewide in terms of
effective property tax rates. This has to be solved by realigning the
tax base (through the encouragement of diverse businesses)
3. Attracting Businesses and Entrepreneurship
- This is through ease of land use ordinences and encouraging
incubators and proposed Urban Economic Zones (I can go into detail on
this)4. Increasing Civic Engagement, especially among
Young Voters - Most residents I've spoken to don't know who the Aldermen
are or how this town is governed/run. I would like to increase
education and promote more engagement.
Second: Expanding the economic base and our
local living economy, not only to increase tax revenues, but to create
meaningful jobs and income for people who live in and near
Carrboro. This requires a strong infrastructure, including updated,
effective stormwater management systems; technological capacity (fast
fiber optic, expanded public wi-fi); and parking systems that work for
employees and customers. These things will help make our economic base
more resilient and sustainable.
Affordable Housing – we need to explore how
affordable housing is being offered and its pricing structures for
residents. Often, residents can be
pr8iced out the current pricing
structures because the available affordable housing is sometimes too expensive.
Roger’s Road Sewage and Water project – We need
to address how structures are approved for this low income area. Often, residents in this section of the town
are adversely impacted by growth and development new the interstate.
Sustainability/Environment – While Carrboro has
made reasonable progress in this area, we need to evaluate how well plans are
established in implemented relative to the continuing large population growth
of Carrboro which has doubled in size since 2000.
A reminder to use the reply button and not the comment button.That'll make sure your reply ends up in the right place.
What is your takeaway from the CVS issue? What did we learn through the process?
The CVS issue taught us a couple good lessons:1- Zoning issues are convuluted and take a long time to solve. If hurdles imposed by the differences between conditional use, special use, etc. etc. are too difficult for a national corporation to navigate through, how can we expect to attract any business that may challenge our current land use permits? I hope that the same issues don't face the new Woodhill development on S. Greensboro or entrepreneurs/manufacturing that wants to bring long term and high quality jobs to the area. 2- Carrboro residents are passionate about their town. The buy-in from the residents is extremely important. I think residents want to see more forward thinking and smaller stores as opposed to large corporations that we believe to be unethical or threatening to the social fabric of our community.
let's keep it lively here folks.
is hard with all this refreshing!
Not if you follow the directions and use the reply button!
didn't consistently give me the same platform. It was kind of weird. Maybe a compatibility issue.
My takeaway is that the Conditional Use Zoning (CUZ) process chosen
by the developer did not serve either the developer or Carrboro well in
this instance. A CUZ application can give the Town some
flexibility to entertain, say, a creative idea for a particular parcel.
If a decision can be made on that permit application that
simultaneously takes into account design and the appropriateness of the
rezoning portion of the application, then it can work well.
this case, the application was complicated by other issues--the
polarization over CVS itself, for example--that distracted the Town from
the process. For about a year and a half, decision makers like the
Planning Board, on which I serve, focused on design issues, or form. We
should have asked the question first about whether rezoning could be
tolerated. That was a mistake. We could have avoided a lot of
community anxiety by addressing rezoning first, because this larger
question of conditional use would have been settled early in the
The takeaway is that Carrboro residents can be very vocal and persistent in their opinions. I think that Carrboro learned that a much better way to communicating proposed business and the community is needed, particularly through public forums.
Where is parking headed in Carrboro? Can the town sustain not charging for it?
Carrboro is growing at a pace that surpasses the current infrastructure for parking, especially in downtown Carrboro.Charging for parking will hurt the business owners, who have invested most of their time, energy, and capital in our town and provide a (still small) but significant portion of our revenues. This town CANNOT sustain itself with an 80/20 split of Property Taxes/Sales Taxes, and charging for parking will only make that worse. We are also going to lose the 300 spots that we are leasing from the 300 E Main garage in 2018. It is leased at $90,000/yr and most of our municipal lots are leased by the town, with the exception of the 203 S. Greensboro St lot (next to Open Eye.)It is also clear that a "Parking Sharing" agreement is not going to work, because the competition for finite land and spaces is only going to grow more fierce (Solution upcoming) Prosper Carrboro!www.talalforcarrboro.comwww.facebook.com/talaldermanwww.twitter.com/talalderman
I have created a full Comprehensive Parking Solution that includes the Carrboro Solar Deck:
I invite everyone to download the comprehensive proposal that includes:AlternativesEducation Solar Deck ProposalBusiness Buy InFollow the link below:(SORRY THE FIRST LINK WAS WRONG)https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8fGspS025bObEw2UU9BNDFWbDQ/edit?usp=sh... Prosper Carrboro!www.talalforcarrboro.comwww.facebook.com/talaldermanwww.twitter.com/talalderman
A really good question, and I'm not sure we can answer this well
until we have all the data from the parking study that was recently
authorized. I support master planning for parking, which is beginning
to happen, with an eye to changing car and transit usage. I'm not sure
we know what impact the 300 East Main parking deck has had yet, and we
don't know whether a collaborative approach to using privately-owned
lots during off-hours or even peak hours to fill the need is possible.
This could require subsidy of some kind. From my perspective, the jury
is out. I'd like us to concentrate on a thorough planning process that
examines data, that takes into account pending developments, transit
changes, and so on, before discounting any option to accomodate
parking and encourage transit use. Eventually this could include some
managed parking that is not free at all times.
Parking is never
free...taxpayers and businesses pay for it now. The question is whether
we want people to pay at the meter or pay with their tax dollars in the
I apologize, I posted the wrong link before: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8fGspS025bObEw2UU9BNDFWbDQ/edit?usp=sh... Prosper Carrboro!www.talalforcarrboro.comwww.facebook.com/talaldermanwww.twitter.com/talalderman
Thanks. a quick follow up: How is the town going to afford the deck and will it have any commercial spaces in it?
Great question, but I'd like to follow up with How can the town NOT afford the deck with the projected increase in population and current strain on the business owners? Revenue streams will need to be generated from the deck by selling Commercial and Permitted spaces and Electic Vehicle Charging stationsThe solar array will be completely paid for by investors looking to achieve the tax credits that only private business are eligible for (This project has been discussed with local solar companies and business owners). It is a perfect example of Private-Public partnerships.The other costs will have to be achieved from financing and consolidation of less performing lots that we currently lease. Prosper Carrboro!www.talalforcarrboro.comwww.facebook.com/talaldermanwww.twitter.com/talalderman
Where do you think would be a good spot for a new branch library that would serve Carrboro and southwestern Orange County? What types of programs must it include?
Seeing how passionate Carrboro residents were at the last Proposed Library Meeting at Hickory Tavern was encouraging.I think the prposed location as part of the 300 E Main complex is great as it satisfies the parking needs, which would be nightmarish. (Proposal calls for expansion of the current 300 E Main deck) I think we need to work with Chapel Hill library systems in a book/resource sharing agreement. Prosper Carrboro!www.talalforcarrboro.comwww.facebook.com/talaldermanwww.twitter.com/talalderman
I opposed the first site proposed by the County on Hillsborough Road, because I felt strongly that we needed to place this community asset closer to lower-income neighborhoods and someplace with more accessible transit and pedestrian options. I like the proposed Brewer Lane site, although I am concerned about its visibility. I like it because it's close to Manley Estates, close to Northside, the Hargraves Center, and the Pine Knolls community. It's also accessible by any mode of transportation without much inconvenience, even for rural residents.I attended the first of the two Engagement meetings sponsored by Friends of the Library and Orange County, and I loved ideas to make the library a center for ideation, a place with open access to digital learning and discovery, and for learning about Orange County and Carrboro history. The Friends of the Library are an excellent resource for a wealth of cultural arts programs that would bring the community together. With the ArtsCenter nearby, there are lots of opportunities for cross-polination and for engaging public schools. And I wouldn't mind some coffee. The project is exciting and I hope the Board of Commissioners and Aldermen are able to move forward together to make it happen. Great work so far.
Two options for a new branch library could include West Highway 54 and Lower Smith Level Road. The minimum types of programs really need to include specific children’s programs, programs for Carrboro’s growing retired populations, reading programs, computer literacy programs, small business workshop programs, worker skills programs, and research programs.
I think all three of you have expressed concern about having an adequate supply of affordable housing in Carrboro. What are some of your preferred strategies for attaining this goal?
Unfortunately, according to State Law, the municipal government does not have much leeway in terms of dictating affordable housing ordinances. The Town is not allowed to cap rents or limit rent increases.However, the Town has the ability to continue providing its wonderful services without sacrificing its revenue streams by diversifying its sources of income away from the home and property owners.Carrboro currently has one of the state's largest effective combined property tax rates (ranks 32nd out of 730 municipalities or the 96th percentile).It is hypocritical for Carrboro to bill itself as a town that is dedicated to affordable housing, when in fact it has a higher property tax rate than Charlotte or even Chapel Hill.
In order to provide public services, the Town earns about 80% of its income from two main sources, property taxes and local businesses sales taxes, of which 78% of those two sources are property taxes. A healthy ratio should be around 65%/35% property to sales tax.Looking at trends from 2008-2012, adjusted for inflation, property taxes in Carrboro have remained nearly stagnant with only a slight decrease while sales taxes have declined significantly, to the order of 16.6%!As a percentage of total revenue, the share of property taxes has increased about 4% while the share of elastic revenues (such as sales tax) has decreased 4%. The burden is clearly on the home and property owners in this case.The formula is very simple: increased sales = increased tax revenue. The Town must encourage business and commerce. The Town has to stop stifling growth over bureaucratic red tape, parking, zoning, and planning issues.
The Town of Carrboro does a wonderful job of accurately forecasting costs and balancing their budget. So well, in fact, that the Town has had operating revenue surpluses in the last 6 fiscal years!On top of the funds that are appropriated to Affordable Housing, a portion of yearly surpluses should be made in the next fiscal year to the fund.
Carrboro should incentivize town employees (Aldermen excluded) to live in town by providing tax breaks or other means to keep public employees in the town they serve.A greater sense of community can be fostered and this would affect the likelihood of encouraging a greater sense of urgency and pride for those who work so hard to keep our town running smoothly and safely.
Note that the town can and does require affordable housing when applicants are seeking rezoning as does Chapel Hill.
Actually, Kirk, the town's inclusionary zoning policy is entirely voluntary, but is incentivized with a density bonus that currently isn't all that attractive in this market. Zoning isn't the trigger.
Thanks for clearing that up! You got to it before I did! Prosper Carrboro!www.talalforcarrboro.comwww.facebook.com/talaldermanwww.twitter.com/talalderman
OK. I'm probably focusing too much on my experience covering the town next door. Zoning certainly gives towns more leverage to ask for it.
First is that we need to move forward on the recommendations that the BoA's Affordable Housing Task Force will present later this month. Among these, the one that is most important is establishing a meaningful, dedicated funding source. I think this needs to be done collaboratively with the County.We also need to be aggressive and creative about identifying land, rehabilitation, or redevelopment opportunities for affordable housing, and work with a non-profit developer to attract Low Income Housing Tax Credit resources to help finance it. In general, working with the Orange County Affordable Housing Coalition will be really key to being proactive without overburdening our limited staff and resources.Finally, we need a diverse housing stock that reflects the spectrum of economic means here. The Task Force recommendations reflect this understanding, suggesting that we review how to encourage density, innovative housing models, small houses, "granny flats," cooperative models, etc. This may require land use changes in the future, but I'm eager to start looking at the possibilities in earnest.
We need to explore how affordable housing is being offered and its pricing structures for residents. Often, residents can be priced out the current pricing structures because the existing affordable housing is sometimes too expensive. We need to have business/housing community forums where the need for jobs and affordable housing can be more thoroughly discussed and examined. We need to help businesses grow so that more jobs are available. Additionally, we need to advocate for better ways to link affordable housing residents with more job opportunities.Additionally, we need to explore to see if there is a better way to encourage and incentivize landlords, especially landlords of large apartment buildings, to have a percentage of their units be available to lower income residents. Work more closely with landlords encouraging them to be part of solution for affordable housing in our community.
Do you support an increase in the transit budget to make up for dwindling federal dollars? Do you support continuing the fare free policy?
Absolutely!This is such a huge service for our fellow residents as well as our close neighbors in Chapel Hill. Bringing the two towns together allows for greater access, which is a cornerstone policy of my campaign. This also reduces the burden on traffic and parking. In fact, we should increase hours operation and bus access. Making this resource available to all is beneficial and promotes the Town's ethos of sustainability and promoting a diverse culture. Prosper Carrboro!www.talalforcarrboro.comwww.facebook.com/talaldermanwww.twitter.com/talalderman
Oh gosh, yes, we need to remain fare free. I support creative ways to help Chapel Hill Transit make up for the lost dollars, in addition to adjusting our budget in the most moderate way possible. Are there other grant dollars out there that we are missing? Are there other fee-for-service activities that make sense? (Game day shuttles...) Are there supplementary services we can provide in other ways, like reintroducing some sort of trolley circuit supported by grant funding, sponsorship dollars, crowdfunding, or nighttime riders looking for a safe alternative to driving? I don't know all the answers, but I do know that Brian Litchfield already has demonstrated terrific leadership and I'll welcome the opportunity to work with our sister funders to find the right-sized solutions.
I do support an increase in the transit budget to make upfor dwindling federal dollars. Unfortunately, it is a necessary reality because of our current situation. Beside of that reality, it will be very difficult to continue the fare free policy, and begrudgingly I would support a very small rider fee in order to not increase taxes somewhere else.
Do you support the current height restrictions?What is the proper number of stories for buildings in downtown?
We should incentivise capping at 4 with "Story Tax" similar to the Salary caps in professional sports leagues. If we build high.. pay high. Prosper Carrboro!www.talalforcarrboro.comwww.facebook.com/talaldermanwww.twitter.com/talalderman
4 + Ground so 5 stories total (the current limit)... Sorry, lived in the Middle East and Europe for too long to remember how we count stories! Prosper Carrboro!www.talalforcarrboro.comwww.facebook.com/talaldermanwww.twitter.com/talalderman
Ye, I support the current height restrictions. At most, I prefer five stories or less
Yes, I support the current restriction of five stories. It's a suitable to the human scale and to encourage density in underutilized, high-traffic areas. I personally don't want to see every new building at that scale. When carefully and wisely placed, buildings of five or fewer stories can complement the downtown landsape, offer at-scale spaces for larger businesses (including office and commercial), and can include residential components.
Do you support a downtown "slow zone" to calm traffic downtown?
Great idea in theory... however we do not have the supporting traffic lanes. Main st is 2 lanes... try turning left during rush hour near Armadillo Grill (its illegal now)Slowzones will only make a terrible problem worse. As someone who has delivered pizzas in town... this is a terrible idea. Prosper Carrboro!www.talalforcarrboro.comwww.facebook.com/talaldermanwww.twitter.com/talalderman
Yes. Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssss. Slow is good downtown. Let's all go to Open Streets and see the possibility!
Yes, I support a "slow zone" to help prevent possible accidents.
Do you support continuing the town's connector road policy requiring connections between old and new neighborhoods?
Being executed as a "policy" may not be the best way to tackle this. Accessiblity is always a priority, but making the connector road policy more of a "guidance" would be a better way. Prosper Carrboro!www.talalforcarrboro.comwww.facebook.com/talaldermanwww.twitter.com/talalderman
Yes, although I understand the concerns that residential neighborhoods have when the connectors are abused by drivers who speed and use them as "cut-throughs." I think these concerns can be mitigated with traffic calming, but residents need to be engaged to find the right calming solution. Speed bumps, humps, spikes, whatever...they aren't for everyone. We need other options.
Yes, I do support the connector policy to provide easier accessiblity
There is a strong likelihood the state legislature might do away with the town’s extraterritorial jurisdiction (ETJ) and the areas would fall under county zoning rules. How would you respond to that?
This is under the State's purview and is best solved by county and Town leadership and coordination. Hopefully existing ordinances and zoning would be grandfathered in. Prosper Carrboro!www.talalforcarrboro.comwww.facebook.com/talaldermanwww.twitter.com/talalderman
The first thing would be to make sure ETJ residents understand the change and how it would affect them. The second thing would be to make sure those residents also know the best, most effective ways to communicate with County and that they have a voice in the transition. Carrboro has two former or current planning board members in the ETJ that could be helpful in bridge-building, education, and preparing for any such transition, even serving at the County level in an advisory capacity.
I think that we need to work with the Orange County commissioners, Chapel Hill, and with other interested governmental parties to go and negotiate these concerns with the state legislature and its public interest commissions. As was shown with the town of Boone and Watauga Counties in the last year, it is imperative to have a good working relationship with the state legislative delegation in order to try and stick a balance on this issue and on the provision of infrastructures services in these Extraterritorial Jurisdiction (ETJ)
Let's suppose the legislature decides to change how much the town can collect in business licensing fees (they're looking at it). Faced with a sudden drop of say $25,000 to $50,000 in revenue, where would you look to fill the hole in the budget?
Carrboro currently boasts a revenue surplus in the past 7 years so a drop of 25-50,000 would not hurt that much.While I am opposed to raising the property tax rates, our collection of those taxes is quite poor compared with other municipalities and I think greater enforcement would defray those costs. Prosper Carrboro!www.talalforcarrboro.comwww.facebook.com/talaldermanwww.twitter.com/talalderman
Hopefully the continued expansion of Carrboro's commercial tax base would offset this revenue loss sooner than later. We have yet to fully realize gains from the new hotel, new commercial spaces that have been recently leased-up, and revenue from planned development. The next 3-5 years is a time of great possibility for Carrboro and will help inform our thinking on questions like this one.
I would access any potential impact before evaluating any replacement user fee.
Would you support any plan that would reduce hours for town workers to save on health care costs?
Is this due to ACA regulations?I would not support any plan to reduce hours for Town Employees. It is unfortunate that this is an issue in the first place, but this is a national issue that we did not fight for adequately. I support incentivising town employees to live in town with the "Work for Carrboro, Live in Carrboro" plan that provides affordable housing to town employees. Prosper Carrboro!www.talalforcarrboro.comwww.facebook.com/talaldermanwww.twitter.com/talalderman
What are we, Wal Mart? Nope, i wouldnt. Carrboro already has a living wage policy, which is our sword in the sand. We are committed to sustainable compensation for or employees, and that needs to include 1) adequate hours in which they can perform the job we expect them to perform and 2) adequate wages for those hours, commensurate with experience etc., and 3) health benefits that do not compromise those wages. If hours were cut and health care thus disallowed for those workers, we would not be fulfilling our commitment to a living wage or our values.
No, I would not support reducing hours for town workers to save on health care costs.
We really appreciate your thoughts and ideas tonight.We'll keep this thread open for another ten minutes if you have anything to add to your answers.Don't forget to vote everybody!
This was a great opportunity to answer some tough questions and get our positions out there. Thanks to Talal and Theresa, too--it's been fun!
Much appreciated!I would love to follow up with anyone on my parking proposal and the merits of the solar deck!Please visit my website tonight when I upload everything there as well as my Facebook (facebook.com/talalderman) where I comment on issues regularly.Thank you Bethany and Theresa, Kirk and OP!! Prosper Carrboro!www.talalforcarrboro.comwww.facebook.com/talaldermanwww.twitter.com/talalderman
Thank you OP for hosing this event and thanks also to Bethany and Tahal!I look forward to working with the Carrboro community as your next Alderman.Please contact me with any concerns/issues or questions.
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